Console Wars

[Miguel]

Jul 16, 2008 1:49:42 GMT 2 Jovany said:

The only thing im excited for is Ratchet and Clank Quest for Booty is coming out next month

... Seriously? The new are&C is called "Quest for Booty"?
... Sony is awesome.

[viruszero]

Jovany, from what I saw... Yes, Sony's was the best presentation.
From being actually graphically appealing with the clever use of little big planet demo to explain the numbers, to the use of the sounds/look of the sony systems starting up to start and end the presentation, to the games displayed.
Resistance 2 looks incredible, and as for the other news, maybe it's not news to some of you... but it was news to me.
And to me, I didn't mind they weren't showing people actually playing the game live at the moment, cause they did still show in-game footage of some of the games they talked of. And really that's all I care about, I don't need to see the guy walk out on stage, controller in hand and play it there, I just want to see the game in action.


Nintendo's felt a bit too lacklustre you know? they announced yet another piece of hardware to nickel and dime the rev owners and ofcourse they make it so a few of the new games they're making also use this piece of equipment.
Then the games they presented just seemed a bit lower than normal quality... this music game they presented... from what I saw it was rockband/GH dumbed down. And even then it still seemed like they couldn't play the music right...
Then there was the second Rev sports game... Sports resort... Wooo another collection of minigames, as if we hadn't seen this before.
About the only minorly interesting thing was they confirmed an Animal Crossing game... But that's still kinda dull. And rather infuriating especially when I found out they're selling another peripheral with it... (A group microphone.) So they finally decided to join the rest of the companies and have a microphone. Gotta wonder what took them so long.

And they talked of the DS getting a new pokemon... woooo marvelous (if you can't feel the sarcasm radiating off those last 2 words, then here is the warning, sarcasm is highly intended on "woooo marvelous.")
And now we have guitar hero on DS? Hmm, seems to be getting a bit out of hand here. But whatever, GH is still popular right?
And that was pretty much the bulk of Nintendo's showing.

As for Microsoft's I didn't see it, but again it sounds like their major announcements weren't all that impressive.
So the 360 got FF XIII, meh, big deal I expected something like that would happen anyway.
And their dashboard gets a facelift. They also get some sort of rev like avatar system.
Oh, and Gears of war 2... but that was about it, from what I understand anyway.

[Jovany]

viruszero

Sony Put out stuff That won't be coming out this year, or anywhere near the future, it pretty Much Lost its FFXII Anticipation... The Only Good Thing That Came out Was Worthwile was The Copying of XBL netflix thingy, and Resistance Liberation Retribution and PSN Download are&C Quest for Booty (Not sure if its a game in itself or downloadable content), and GOD OF WAR 3 in another year, I SERIOUSLY WOULD NOT MIND AT ALL IF IT WAS A PS2 Game!

But MICROSOFTS WAS LAUGHABLE, You hype multiplatform Games!? ROFLMAO!!! gears of war 2? Gears of war 1 looks like it had better Graphics, and Final Fantasy XIII Multiplatform... I personnally don't care atleast everyone can Play the game Now, and its Not a NAIL in This Imaginary Coffin you see the PS3 in at all, PS3 still has Versus (hopefully) so that will push more buyers to buy Final Fantasy XIII on the same system as Final Fantasy Versus XIII... Other than That, Microsoft idn't announce any new games for 2008... or 2009 for that matter...

Nintendo, ANIMAL CROSSING? Your biggest most hardcore announcement? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Albireo]

Nintendo's explainable... Though Animal Crossing was actually a fairly popular game too.

So far, all of Nintendo's announcements are insignificant, due to Brawl, which was recently released to Australia. Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing share many similarities, and fans alike. The two aren't the sort of games you'd play. Though I play Harvest Moon >_>

Anyways, Sony... giving up on Final Fantasy XIII? Worst decision ever since they overpriced the release price for PS3.

It's apparent that Wii is the top selling console, still on high demand, some of which were probably due to breaking it, with Wiimote problems. Example, accidentally throwing it, and unfortunately hitting the console, and smashing the remote in combination. Well this is a reason why, but it creates another reason why, since it's still in high demand, many people are missing out on it, so they themselves, still need to get one. And then it goes back to reason one. Simple i guess >_>

Anyways, Xbox 360 has all these shooting games on it ya? Halo 3, was pretty much the most hyped game on their console. Though it's the fans that made it overrated, trust me though, it's a good game, but not mind-blowing good like a lot of people say. Xbox 360... The first next-gen console to come out, it's natural that it'd begin it's own downfall earliest.

[Jovany]

Jul 16, 2008 8:10:59 GMT 2 Albireo said:

Nintendo's explainable... Though Animal Crossing was actually a fairly popular game too.

So far, all of Nintendo's announcements are insignificant, due to Brawl, which was recently released to Australia. Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing share many similarities, and fans alike. The two aren't the sort of games you'd play. Though I play Harvest Moon >_>

Anyways, Sony... giving up on Final Fantasy XIII? Worst decision ever since they overpriced the release price for PS3.

It's apparent that Wii is the top selling console, still on high demand, some of which were probably due to breaking it, with Wiimote problems. Example, accidentally throwing it, and unfortunately hitting the console, and smashing the remote in combination. Well this is a reason why, but it creates another reason why, since it's still in high demand, many people are missing out on it, so they themselves, still need to get one. And then it goes back to reason one. Simple i guess >_>

Anyways, Xbox 360 has all these shooting games on it ya? Halo 3, was pretty much the most hyped game on their console. Though it's the fans that made it overrated, trust me though, it's a good game, but not mind-blowing good like a lot of people say. Xbox 360... The first next-gen console to come out, it's natural that it'd begin it's own downfall earliest.

Pretty Much
Xbox 360= That Rich kid that has money to buy every game, and havs some new ones the kids in the block never heard of and problably cant get theyr hands on

PS3=That Kid That Is shy to socialize with everyone, so it only socializez with people that Now its Predecessers, and has that one game That was too awsome that The 360's parents would buy him because its to awsome, and the Games his Siblings made him....

Wii-That one Hot girl Everyone wants to bang,and she's cheap and easy, and gets what ever she wants

[Dualzero]

Jul 16, 2008 8:10:59 GMT 2 Albireo said:

Nintendo's explainable... Though Animal Crossing was actually a fairly popular game too.

So far, all of Nintendo's announcements are insignificant, due to Brawl, which was recently released to Australia. Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing share many similarities, and fans alike. The two aren't the sort of games you'd play. Though I play Harvest Moon >_>

Anyways, Sony... giving up on Final Fantasy XIII? Worst decision ever since they overpriced the release price for PS3.

It's apparent that Wii is the top selling console, still on high demand, some of which were probably due to breaking it, with Wiimote problems. Example, accidentally throwing it, and unfortunately hitting the console, and smashing the remote in combination. Well this is a reason why, but it creates another reason why, since it's still in high demand, many people are missing out on it, so they themselves, still need to get one. And then it goes back to reason one. Simple i guess >_>

Anyways, Xbox 360 has all these shooting games on it ya? Halo 3, was pretty much the most hyped game on their console. Though it's the fans that made it overrated, trust me though, it's a good game, but not mind-blowing good like a lot of people say. Xbox 360... The first next-gen console to come out, it's natural that it'd begin it's own downfall earliest.

You do know that FFXIII is only going to be out for both consoles in it's worldwide version (meaning Jap version is PS3 exclusive), while FFXIII Versus is said to be still exclusive to PS3

I do own all 3 consoles, and I enjoy PS3 and Wii more than 360 (sorry xbox fans), but some of the newer titles seems to be promising though.

[Raikon]

Everyone in the world knows that the main RPG base is Europe.
As long as FFXIII 360 passes through there, Squenix shouldn't have alot of trouble.

Jul 16, 2008 9:00:14 GMT 2 Jovany said:

Pretty Much
Xbox 360= That Rich kid that has money to buy every game, and havs some new ones the kids in the block never heard of and problably cant get theyr hands on

PS3=That Kid That Is shy to socialize with everyone, so it only socializez with people that Now its Predecessers, and has that one game That was too awsome that The 360's parents would buy him because its to awsome, and the Games his Siblings made him....

Wii-That one Hot girl Everyone wants to bang,and she's cheap and easy, and gets what ever she wants

That is. So wrong.

First off, the 360 is actually cheaper than the Wii.
Second, the PS3 is more expensive than both the 360 and the Wii together, and in the E3, Sony clearly stated that they weren't lowering the PS3's price.

DS is getting a new Pokémon called Pokémon Platinum (It's like the Crystal/Yellow/Emerald version of Diamond and Pearl)

The Nintendo conference started in the worst way possible. By presenting an accessory to increase the Wiimote's accuracy.
... That's like saying that it didn't have much to begin with.
It was a meh conference. Didn't have anything that truly appealed to me.

Sony's conference was failure. Tons of stalling, almost as AWESOME as 2006's Giant Crab E3.
I lol that they hype features on their console that the 360 has had since the beginning. Then again, EVERYONE knows, without fault that Sony may be good at hardware, but damn, they fail at software. Look at Firmware 2.40. Or at the PSP's homebrew community.
Oh and thank God, you guys kept Versus. I wouldn't buy that game anyway. I hate Nomura.
Plus most of the RPG players chose the 360, due to having more RPGs. Final Fantasy has declined in quality ever since the sixth so most "hardcore RPG" players don't choose a console because of that.
They also hyped the PS2 and PSX alot. Sure it's a great console, but I didn't watch the conference to learn more about the PS2 and how it is great.

Quoting from the God site, UKResistance

Surely this sort of terrible showing can't be an accident? There has to be someone high-up in Sony orchestrating as quick an exit from the hardware industry as possible?

Yes, you used to be good, didn't you? People used to clap, not laugh, didn't they? Sony's 2008 showing wasn't at quite the same level of hilarity as E3 "Giant Crab" 2006, but it got close to previous depths.

HOME (AGAIN): No release date. For a chatroom it's giving away free. This is going to be the biggest financial disaster in modern gaming, the biggest since since SEGA buried 350,000 32Xs in a disused coal mine in North Wales.

A BUDGET RANGE: Games you can buy on eBay for $9 will be sold in shops for $30. It's this sort of sound business sense that Sony has become renowned for since the launch of PS3.

RESISTANCE 2: The world's most generic shooter gets a sequel. Watching a robot giving a PowerPoint presentation of all the prime numbers would be preferable.

KILLZONE 2 (AGAIN): The surprisingly popular sequel to a PS2 game no one really liked. Awesome. It might come out next year, maybe.

RATCHET & CLANK FUTURE: QUEST FOR BOOTY: The name says it all. Stuff like this is not a reason for adults to spend £300 on a console, is it?

LITTLEBIGPLANET (AGAIN): The world's most niche game, seemingly developed specifically for the benefit of 150 people who post on internet forums. The internet Sony cum-buckets will love it - actual sales to normal people will number in the 100s.

THE REST: Misery. Misery. Crushing pain. Depression. Misery.

THE RESULT: Perhaps 2009 will be the year Sony brings out the big guns. Or reveals PS4 as a low-power party machine.

Back to my own opinion

Microsoft's conference was the best in my opinion. Sure they showed alot of multi-platform games, but someone has to, and no one's saying that Resident Evil 5 and FFXIII are bad games, because they're stunning.
Fable 2 and the new Banjo-Kazooie are ajieawofjeaowifjmweortdrool and exclusive
I'm not much into FPSs, so I didn't care much about Gears 2.

Squenix's E3 lineup was pretty nice.
With Last Remnant as multi and two 360 Exclusive RPGs (Infinite Undiscovery and the new Star Ocean)
Plus, Infinite Undiscovery is produced by tri-Ace, which makes the game 20x better already.

Microsoft didn't show alot of new games at the E3 but you can't say we don't have new games coming. Along with those above, we still have Mistwalker doing 3 new exclusives, Tales of Vesperia, Guilty Gear 2: Overture, Forza 3, Magna Carta 2 with alot others.

PS3's exclusives coming up, well I only really see Dark Cloud 2, GT5, Disgaea 3, White Knight Story that interest me
Then again, Disgaea has declined in quality since the 2nd game sucked .
Alot of people bought GT5 Prologue, only the rich people will buy the real game, because buying the same game twice (And the demo was the same price as a full game) isn't really something that alot of people do.
White Knight Story, what the hell is that? Level-5 hasn't given any news about it for a LOONG time.

[crackdude]

You guys are simply mind-blowing-pants-on-head-Sh**-eating-up-the-arse retarded!

Lets examine what these conferences ACTUALLY MEAN:

MICROSOFT
It started out nice.
Fallout 3 is a good game.
RE5 was as expected I guess and that co-op mode really excited many people.
Gears of War 2 was as expected, godlike. Why? Just look at those backgrounds! That speechless fluid action! I have never seen anything else like it! Killzone 2 may be able to compare, maybe ever be better looking, but saying Gears2 is like Gears1 or that Gears2 isn't graphically brutal is like saying your dad knocked-up your mom because he had lost his glasses.
Fable 2 looked boring at first. But that add-friends-to-your-world system is really interesting.
Talking about games, XBLA will be receiving some nice games. Portal up-your-face sequel, Galaga shiny sequel, and some others.
You have that eye-toy ripoff, You're in the Movies, that actually seams stupid enough to have some fun.
Scene It! really.. just no.
And Lips. Lips is like MS's way of saying " you Playstation buyers" with a delicate and sensual voice and then kill you family and send their body parts to Canada. C'mon! Have you never thought why you couldn't use you're won music on Singstar? There is a difference between HAVING brutal amounts of cash, like MS, and WANTING brutal amounts of cash, like Sony. For PS3 users to get music you have to buy them. Xbox users connect their iPods. What's interesting, is that Beats, a PSP music game made by London Studio (creators of Singstar), allows custom music. Enjoy your wired microphones.
The new Dashboard is finally better looking than the PS3's XMB. It has a sweet interface and new functions. The avatars have the simplicity of the Mii and the features of Home. True you can't run around smelling other avatar's arses, but if you are buying a PS3 so that you can play Second Life, then you deserve buying a PS3.
Ok, so the conference started out great, went a bit downhill, the Dashboard thing brought it back to an exciting level, Netflix killed the movie-rental business, and now what?
Well Square-Enix announces 360 exclusive JRPGs. Star Ocean 4 was the one that caught my attention but there wasn't much information.
So we are ending the conference and the Square-Enix japanese dude say's he "forgot" to show us something... And BAMM!! PS3 owners shat bricks like if they have opened business in brick-shitting.
There are 3 games that are keeping the PS3 alive. MGS4 of course, GT5 which will in no doubt be released only for the PS3, and FFXIII. Well since there is no exclusivity in FFXIII that means that you only have 66% reasoning to get a PS3.
It isn't a matter of PS3 owners not getting FFXIII, they will get it. But potential buyers only interested in the PS3 because of FFXIII can now get it in a half-the-price console that is showing much more power and much more effort in satisfying real game-players. That's what the 360 showed to be in this conference a GAMING machine. Movies are secondary.
What effort does Sony have for satisfying gamers? Enjoy your firmware 2.40. Which should have been released like 2.4 YEARS AGO. Oh, right.. You didn't have a PS3 back then.. Oh well..

NINTENDO
This conference showed why Nintendo is THE BOSS.
THINK about it for a moment. They are releasing an accessory that does n o t h i n g. Why on earth will you add motion sensing to a motion sensing controller? BUT, Reggie showed that it was fun as hell! So.. yeah.. it look interasting.. kinda.
Wii Music look AWESOME. I'm not kidding with this, I am getting a Wii because of that game. It showed to be pant-dropping awesome. Shut the up you pussies who are saying that it's a "dumbed down" version of Rock Band. Oh, yeah.. Rock Band let's you make a BAND wooooooooooooow It has THREE INSTRUMENTS woooooooooow and you can only play what THEY WANT YOU TO woooooooooooow and you have to pay a bucket load of cash for new songs! WOOOOOOOW
You completely miss the point. Wii Music is about getting everyone who would like to play music to do it FREELY, they can play whatever they LEARN, but don't have the necessary skills/time. And learning to play FIFTY INSTRUMENTS must be cool. The drum-set is way better than RB/GH. Actually, GH now allows you to create your own songs too. But it's really different..
Moving on you have some game announcements. The new DS Pokemon was already known of for some months. And WOHA!! GTA? Srsly. For the DS? I was incredulous! It's awesome.
It was nice to see Nintendo executives play the Super Mario theme song at the end. It showed what the Wii is all about: Having FUN with your friends.
That pretty much sums the better moments..

SONY
It seems that Sony hasn't fully recovered from the 2006 crab-tacular conference. But at least the man was captivating with his passive, polite and eloquent talking. Only if the content was better...
I laughed when I saw Bioshock footage at the intro.
Little Big Planet, the next big step of business presentations! So the niche the game is aimed at is business executives I guess.
Little Big Planet looked like a gimmick. A fun gimmick. For like... 20minutes. What is the point? I didn't get it, sorry.
Sony made an incredible effort in spending the most time possible talking about it's legacy, and made look that people don't need a PS3 because the PS2 is still strong. Allow me to correct this sentence: people don't need a PS3 because the PS2 is the only home console that gives Sony profit. There you go..
Home is like that cockroach that the closer you get the faster it runs. How hard can it be making a Second Life clone?!
So a good thing now, PS3 games at 30$! Awesome! Besides me having bought half of those games on the Xbox for 15$ A YEAR AGO. Not. . Kidding.
God, Resistance 2.. Speechless, unbelievable, astonishing... HOW can you still call Halo overrated?
Killzone 2, the only good reason to watch this conference in HD. The first one on the PS2 sucked. This one seems pretty nice. Graphically on par with Gears2 I'dd say.
Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Cock up the Arse Booty. I think we all feel the same about this game, moving on.
The rest of the conference was really boring. Although there is one more positive note besides Killzone 2 showing some clips of how games will look in 2 years: M.A.G. 256 players shooting themselves up online at the same time! This game not only will take the PS3 to the max, but also your Internet bandwidth! Enjoy your lag feast soon in your PS3 entertainment system!

CONCLUSION
Microsoft was the easy winner with one of the best E3 moments of all time.

What all this means:
Xbox will be getting nice games, shitty games and new features.
Wii will be getting nice games, unnecessary peripherals and fun music-making software.
PS3 will be getting crabs.

Prove me wrong bitches.

[Deathtanz Mantisk]

The amount of profane terms you used sums up as a figure that cannot be divided by two. That's called a double-negative. You are thereby wrong at anything which it was that you had tried to claim.

[Silver Stryker]

That is. So wrong.

First off, the 360 is actually cheaper than the Wii.
Second, the PS3 is more expensive than both the 360 and the Wii together, and in the E3, Sony clearly stated that they weren't lowering the PS3's price

Actually, what he said about the wii is pretty darn accurate. Keep your information about the costs, I dunno 'bout that, but I can tell you that the wii is far more popular among the gaming uncautious community. Walk in a chicks house, and you'll likely see a wii if any gaming system at all. Otherwise you'd only see a ps2, or perhaps an X-box if she has a brother. I've been to alot of houses of friends and whatnot since I moved here. His statement is so true its almost not even funny. Almost.

PS3's exclusives coming up, well I only really see Dark Cloud 2,......

Hmmm.....revised graphics and whatnot? Cuz I sure do have this game already. I wanna look into this one...sounds fishy...in the stupid way...

[Raikon]

Jul 16, 2008 21:10:20 GMT 2 Silver Stryker said:

That is. So wrong.

First off, the 360 is actually cheaper than the Wii.
Second, the PS3 is more expensive than both the 360 and the Wii together, and in the E3, Sony clearly stated that they weren't lowering the PS3's price

Actually, what he said about the wii is pretty darn accurate. Keep your information about the costs, I dunno 'bout that, but I can tell you that the wii is far more popular among the gaming uncautious community. Walk in a chicks house, and you'll likely see a wii if any gaming system at all. Otherwise you'd only see a ps2, or perhaps an X-box if she has a brother. I've been to alot of houses of friends and whatnot since I moved here. His statement is so true its almost not even funny. Almost.

The Wii costs 250€ while the 360 currently costs 200€
I just checked 20 minutes ago. Actually this entire thread actually started because of that change (360 becoming cheaper than the Wii)

PS3's exclusives coming up, well I only really see Dark Cloud 2,......

Hmmm.....revised graphics and whatnot? Cuz I sure do have this game already. I wanna look into this one...sounds fishy...in the stupid way...

Dark Cloud 3, my mistake. I apologize.

[viruszero]

Nintendo is notorious for releasing peripherals... And then only having a few games use them. Super scope, light zapper, power glove? And with the veritable flood of Rev add-ons and stuff it's phenominal how much they can get a person to shell out with out even really realising what the costs are...

Let's see the rev alone has:
- The remote (Which I'm classing seperate because of how it's most often seen sold... The remote by itself.)
- The nunchuk
- The classic controller
- The multitude of attachments that snap onto the remote (Mario kart's driving wheel, tennis racket, link's sword/shield etc...)
- The balance board
- And now the precision controller part
- And the group microphone thing...
Am I missing anything?


The 360/PS3 has:
- A standard Controller
- Microphone (Optional but can be useful I guess for online stuff.)
- Camera
And I think I've captured the majority of the stuff for the PS3/360 (Sure you can have the keyboard if you want to do alot of typing but it isn't a necessity to play any games.)

[Jovany]

Well all I know is that 360 has nothing new for the rest of the year.... so They are only getting Gears of War 2 and Fable 2 I believe... (I herd Fable 1 sucked though)

[Raikon]

Jul 16, 2008 23:06:48 GMT 2 Jovany said:

Well all I know is that 360 has nothing new for the rest of the year.... so They are only getting Gears of War 2 and Fable 2 I believe... (I herd Fable 1 sucked though)

Okay. I quit this thread, I'll stop myself before I start to get flaming-urges.

You refuse to read anything of the posts above or acknowledge anything that we wrote. I posted a list of 360 games coming soon, up there that you seemingly didn't read, if you didn't read that + the result of your post, I have to assume you read nothing of this page at all.

And Fable 1 recieved 9.5+ scores in most video game reviewers and recieved alot of awards.

[Jovany]

Jul 16, 2008 23:17:32 GMT 2 Raikon said:

Jul 16, 2008 23:06:48 GMT 2 Jovany said:

Well all I know is that 360 has nothing new for the rest of the year.... so They are only getting Gears of War 2 and Fable 2 I believe... (I herd Fable 1 sucked though)

Okay. I quit this thread, I'll stop myself before I start to get flaming-urges.

You refuse to read anything of the posts above or acknowledge anything that we wrote. I posted a list of 360 games coming soon, up there that you seemingly didn't read, if you didn't read that + the result of your post, I have to assume you read nothing of this page at all.

And Fable 1 recieved 9.5+ scores in most video game reviewers and recieved alot of awards.

Okay they have RPG's[you] ALMOST[/you]! no 360 owner is going to buy... then are going to go Multiplatform...