Docter Weil

[Wayne_Effect]

He was weaker in that game, in X4 and X5 I could be all the Maverick bosses(not sigma staged ones) with just zeros beam sabre and no special attacks.(except the flipping one it made you do in the air.)

[nman344]

Wayne_Effect said:

WEll if you look at what capcom has done with the series its all leading somewhere, they are just trying to lead us in the wrong direction. What if, in fact, it turns out Light was the one that filled in Sigma on Zero.
Light obviously knew about Zero's coming attack that would be the cause of the cataclysm. He wouldnt have had enough time to just make a hologram self if he didnt know about zero's forcoming. What do we knoew about wily? We don't know anything. We all assume he is dead, wrong.Chances are he built himself a robot body, knowing that Zero might go crazy when he is awakened. Used his Robot masters as a shield, and escaped. X series, someone is controlling sigma, we assume Wily is because of his knowledge on ZEro. Could be, that or its light, we have actually seen him in his pod. Zero keeps getting killed, but magically brought back. Hows this? someone keeps rebuilding him, why? They keep infecting him with newer updates of the Virus, jacking up his power, and all that good stuff. Now lets go to MMZ. Dr.Weil, good job capcom on your half assed attempt on naming charcters. Lets face it, no matter how hard we try not to, we know that is Wily. How is he still alive? Robot body powered by a powerful energy. What energy could that be? I dont know. I havent playd through any but the first Zero game so I cant continue this rant, im just shooting out random theories. I never played legends.

I think that Light died. I think at the beginning of the first X game he said that he would be dead before the X series.

[DrWeil]

on megaman zero 4 just before you fight weil you see what his face looks like without the cone and i tell you this after comparing that picture with a picture of Dr. Wily the resemblance is outstanding, especially because they both have the same facial expression.

[BlackStar2015]

Hi, first post here and I have a little information on both the connection of series and Dr. Weil. Keep in mind that I have played almost every Megaman game there is and I own every X game except for X2 and X8 (I played through X8 and I'm gonna buy the Megaman X Collection game for Gamecube when it comes out in November)

First of all, we all know that Megaman and Megaman X are connected through Dr. Light, Megaman the Power Battles/Fighters, and numerous series references.

The X series and Zero series are connected because of Zero himself. And if you saw Zero's ending in MMX6 then you see Zero talking to a scientist about taking a couple hundred years of sleep.

Now Legends is different. Some of the only evidence that I have found is that in X's second ending in MMX5 (the one where Zero became a maverick) he does not remember Zero, and he talks about building a place called Elysium, where humans and reploids can live in peace. Elysium was revealed in MML2 as being the birthplace of Megaman Trigger. That's just about it.

Now for the subject on Weil. There is no doubt in my mind that it is Dr. Wily. First of all, while some people say it's Dr. Doppler from MMX2 and MMX3, no way. Dr. Doppler died in the end of MMX3. There were a number of things Weil said in MMZ3 that made up my mind. For one, he said he had a human brain. Dr. Doppler was never human. Two, he has the same ambitions of taking over the world as Wily, something that could only be understood by a human as Weil claimed. Three, he claimed to be the creator of reploids. If any of you played Megaman the Power Fighters/Battles and beaten the game with Bass, then you see brief shadowy images of Zero (Bass described him as the red, girly-looking reploid) and Wily talking about him (Zero) and his other project (the maverick virus, since Zero was originally a maverick, it would only make sense that the other project was the virus). From this, we can conclude that Zero was the first reploid and evidence from MMX4 and MMX5 support the fact that Wily created Zero.

In Zero's intro in MMX4, you see a dark figure that greatly resembles Dr. Wily calling Zero his masterpiece, and ordering to destroy "him" which I conclude to be X, and he later says that their "rivalry is what gives him motivation in life." He obviously talks about Dr. Light and his creation, Megaman X.

Also in MMX4 is the fight scene between Zero and Sigma that occurs right before the final battle. It's a memory of the day that Zero lost his maverick virus and transferred it into Sigma. right when Zero is about to kill Sigma, a large W shows up on the blue crystal on his forehead and makes him unable to move. The same reaction happened to him in his intro. Anyways, it's safe to say that the W stands for Wily.

In Zero's ending in MMX4, you see him being brough to life in a capsule that bears Wily's skull mark on it, and you can see him in sillhouette. If you notice in any of the Megaman Classic games, almost every boss created by Wily (not Cossack or Mr. X) has this marking on their life bar. And Wily also has it on all of his life bars as well.

Ok, on to MMX5. This is the game where Sigma meets up with Wily and tries to infuse Zero with as much of the Maverick Virus as he could so he could turn him into his ultimate form (I believe that to be Omega, I'll mention that later). Sigma mentions meeting an old man that knew a lot about Zero and created his new body for him. Again, Wily.

Flashing forward to MMZ3, Omega was a reploid created from the Original Zero (Zero in the MMZ series was a reproduction of the original with the same heart and memories of the original) which I believe the ultimate form of Zero mentioned in MMX5. And the only person who would know enough about Zero to do this is Wily, yet it is Weil who created Omega. Coincidence? I think not.

And if any of you are thinking, "How could Wily live that long?" Think about this, Wily was centuries upon centuries ahead of his time, so why couldn't he merely create a reploid body for himself and have a machine attach his brain to the inside of it? Besides, if you remember what I said earlier on, Weil said he had a human brain. Besides, look at their names, they're practically identical. If video game designers want you to figure out if two characters are actually one in the same, they'll make their names similar.

That will be all for now.

[DrWeil]

i must admit i agree with you on all terms. if you have the ROM for Megaman Zero 4 and you have got up to the final boss who is Dr. Weil you see him without the cone and his hair draped down.
this has led me to believe that he is Dr.Wily because of his facial expression (you know crazy wacked out scientist).

[J-T Spirit Of Fire]

He looks like prof. Albert Einstein DUH thats why his name is Albert Wily

Hey Drweil do you have a ROM of MMZ4??!!!!! do you know where i can get it? i have played all MMZ games except for MMZ4 can you please tell me where you got it from!

[Raikon]

Well, its more than proven along the MMX games that Zero is Wily's last creation and its for sure when you see the Bass ending in Megaman Power Battles 2.
Im not sure about Weil...he might be Wily in a cyborg body that he created so that he would be kept alive (Old and wrinkled face and white hair...a possibility) But im not sure, i have to give more thought to this...

I haven't seen absolutely nothing about MMZ5....i hope they aren't making up a Megaman Axl...god help us fans!!

[BlackStar2015]

Must... kil... Axl... to... prevent... his... RETURN!!!

I dunno. It just seems to unlikely Weil could be anybody else other than Wily.

[SainanKurai]

Just one thing. MMZ's Zero has no memory of his past. That's also the why he's different in MMZ(personality).

[BlackStar2015]

what's that gotta do with weil?

[SainanKurai]

Just telling you that info as that I noticed you ignored that fact.
"Zero in the MMZ series was a reproduction of the original with the same heart and memories of the original"
It's just the heart.

[BlackStar2015]

That's true. Lol, I guess I forgot that part, or just didn't realize it :-p

[zerohd]

All right then. Being a newcomer and all, I thought I might get my start on the biggest conversation. Now, as a note at the beginning of this, I haven't played Zero 3 or 4 at all, original Megaman 8 at all, Legends 2 at all, or X 2 and 3 all the way through. Some of this is based on my playing of the games and some is on what I've read both here and at other sites. Just to let you know. Now onward to crazy theories.

Lets go the cataclysm first. Now, of course, Zero caused the cataclysm. This brings forth the question did Wily want to rule the world or destroy it. Now, what I'm getting is that he wanted to rule it. So why would he build Zero just to destroy everything? I don't believe this was the original idea. I think that, since Reploids have their own personalities and thoughts, Zero was probably aware of his powers as the greatest robot ever build. With the virus causing Zero to be a Maverick, he may have gone crazy and killed Dr. Wily before going out and causing the cataclysm. Now, Dr. Wily was a smart man. He probably planned for the possibility that Zero would murder him in a wild rage. He may have created an AI counterpart that was exactly like his mind and placed it in a back up file of his master computer. Now, why would this supposed AI activate at random? Well, I figure that this would be similar to the robot masters that activated when Wily was in jail because he didn't send them a signal that he was safe. If this AI was a fail safe, it would probably activate automatically if not sent a signal to not do so. So that's my theory on how Dr. Wily could survive for so many years. Now, this brings forth the point of Sigma meeting an old man that knew a lot about Zero. Well, this is a bit of a strech, but, Reploids were built to look somewhat human. It's just that most wear some sort of basic armor. What I assume is, that if Dr. Wily did that back up AI of himself, he probably made a body for that AI as well. It's very possible that he made one to look exactly like him so that no one would recognise him as a robot. Remember, if you will, the old man reploid at the Resistance base in Zero 1. He looked human to me by comparison to the other humans around, which were the foot soldiers with what look like Green Beret uniforms and badges. I'm sure some of those soldiers were human since, in the original cut, when they died, blood shot out. Those are my theories to the connection of Wily and Weil.

Now, onto my better theories of New Zero and Omega. First of all, if anyone noticed, which I'm sure you all did, Zero appears as a playable in MMX 7. However, he was put into the 102 year sleep at the end of MMX6. Why would he be in both? Well, my guess is that so many months or years after Zero was put to sleep, the Maverick attacks became too much for the Hunters. So, the Hunter scientists created a copy of Zero's body and copied his mind into that copy body. This is the copy of Zero that is played in the MMZ games. Why he was asleep is probably due to a battle in a secret underground laboratory during an attack in which Zero was fatally injured. This battle probably happened without X to save Zero, so Zero attached himself to the power systems of the laboratory so that he could slowly recover while waiting for rescue. However, without a way to send anything, he was stuck their. This explains why Zero was hanging from the cealing by wires, and not in a sleeping capsule. All this time, the real Zero was asleep to combat the Virus, right? Well, I assume that, at a point, that Zero was corrupted fully by the virus, deleting his heart and allowing him to become Omega. This also explains why both have a new body. Remeber that original X also had a new body that was projected when he talked to Zero at the end of the first game. I assume that after so many years, the bodies were upgraded to become more combat ready. If you notice, Zero is thinner, making him more aerodynamic. X is wearing a robe, which probably alowed him to carry more weapon modifications, making him more like a tank. Omega would have also been updated with these modifications so he wouldn't be replaced. I believe that, after a time, Dr. Weil came to moderate Omega's sleep. He probably assisted in completing Zero's transformation to Omega by corrupting the routiens made to cure the virus, but instead made them give him more of it. That sounds farfetched though, doesn't it? Well, assuming that my back up AI theory is correct, it's possible that this AI created the Dr. Weil body to be more combat effecient to keep up with new X and Zero. He may have been the one that started the fight that knocked Zero out of commision, and took the pod with Omega to complete him since this was a plan of Dr. Wily. What I'm getting at is that Zero from MMZ is Zero from MMX 7 and 8, who I assume is a copy of the original because the original Zero was put to sleep at the end of MMX 6. Again, my idea of Dr. Weil taking Omega is a bit farfetched, but it does fit pretty well.

Now, finally, I come to the legends connection. Now, I, like a few others, assumed that Legends was simply a parallel universe of the original Megaman. However, upon further review, you do see many similarities that would connect legends to the rest. First, to connect it to the Zero series. This is a small touch, but I notice many similarites between the golems of Zero and some designs of the Reaver Bots, particularly the very large ones and the timy ones that shoot bombs at you from their underside. Plus, the final area, Neo Arcadia Core, of MMZ looks like a fresher version of the first dungeon in MML. Also note the extream similarity between refracters and energy crystals. Now, onto the X series. Of course, it seems as though most things from the other worlds don't exist in Legends. Well, there are traces of it. Such as similar symbols used to mark things. The reference to the paradise of peace between reploids and humans that X wished to build. Now wat caused this world to be covered in water may have been a final war at the end of the Zero series that detroyed everything, but a few survived and created a new world with old technology that survived. Now, this was my original theory and thought I made up somehow. My original thought was that the Megaman from MML was the original Megaman from the original series. Yeah, if I read that I'd go, "what?" too, probably. But hear me out. My original theory is that when the cataclysm happened and Megaman was unable to defeat Zero, Dr. Light, before getting ready to activate X, sealed the original Megaman away should he ever be needed at a later time. Even if X was to fail, he might weaken Zero enough for Megaman to finish him off. Now, why was it that Megaman was then never revived, well, I assume that Zero killed Dr. Light or Dr. Light died of natural causes before being able to record a hologram telling X of Megaman's storage or, Megaman would have been reactivated by Dr. Light at a time when he found it necessary, but only he knew it, so when he died, no one was left to do it. Of course, I believe I heard that MML Megaman was found to have been built on the island with Mother Lode or something. Which changes my theory that Megaman Trigger was built based on the blueprints of the original Megaman.

Oh and Wily's boat thing was an alternate idea that Dr. Wily built a time machine to go to the future and try to take over the world with and Evil Shipping industry. Just a thought.

Well, that's enough for one night. There's enough to mull over for a bit.

[SainanKurai]

1) The "Cataclysm" is just a creation of fans. Capcom, Rockman X and Rockman Original/Classic never says anything about something like that.
2) Wily created both Zero and the Zero Virus...why? Well, to start off...I doubt Wily made a robot with free will, he isn't stupid, he probably knew that such a robot can defy him, as Forte/Bass did and later King of Rockman and Forte. King is a proto-type, probably of Zero who knows.
3) Over time Wily became crazier and crazier...from the evil energy and such, you know, it's not impossible he went so mad about Dr.Light beating him with his puny robot, only fighting robot that he could have a created a "GOD OF DESTRUCTION" just to crush him...
4) X is immune to the Zero Virus..who knows why
5) All of Wily's robots are Maverick in reality! They destroy cities and such, so humans too are endangered...
6) Yeah I guess Wily did as Light did, an A.I. of himself and such, and there's also Isaac of MMX6 who knew much of Zero...and had some "soul erasure"....hmmm

sainankurai said:

sainankurai said:

Uhm....Zero is different because his body isn't his but was recreated by Doctor Baaru(Vile)/Weil.
The plothole here is why Omega, who should have Zero's true body is identical to "Copy" Zero/MMZ's Zero. Now that's something you can only imagine, the Weil wanted to change it because it's nicer that way.(And maybe Omega refused to be painted pink too...)

After all in the end "100 Hundred Sleep" Zero goes into a CAPSULE and in his OLD armor.
When Ciel finds him he is covered with cables and in a different armor.
And he's a copy. The all-powerful body was Omega's.
So the question is, why does Omega/True Zero BODY is different?
Maybe Weil made some modifications or hated it's design
Who knows, who cares, no answer will be given ever.

7) ...It is officially stated by Capcom the 102 Sleep is an Alternative Ending that did not happen in THAT moment, but in the future.
8) Aaaand...Zero and X are wonderful and such because...they cannot be analyzed. They are too complicated or something, but Light and Wily made a great job and the scientists cannot understand them fully!!! MMX6
9) MMLegends is indeed a continuation of the series, it's official! Only Battlenet is a parallel universe.
10) Play MMZ4, and maybe also MMX...uh I cannot remember, but in one of the last ones there is X with a saber that wants to create an Elysium....Oh of course, later there is Neo Arcadia afterall, but it just goes wrong heh, but in MMZ4 it seems all goes right again, probably in the future leading to MMLegends...I'm just sad X...Megaman..Zero...all gone forgotten...heh.
11) an old man last human in existence living in a planet known as Elysium created the MegaMans, Trigger, Data, etc...play MML2.

[xcustom]

zerohd said:

All right then. Being a newcomer and all, I thought I might get my start on the biggest conversation. Now, as a note at the beginning of this, I haven't played Zero 3 or 4 at all, original Megaman 8 at all, Legends 2 at all, or X 2 and 3 all the way through. Some of this is based on my playing of the games and some is on what I've read both here and at other sites. Just to let you know. Now onward to crazy theories.

Lets go the cataclysm first. Now, of course, Zero caused the cataclysm. This brings forth the question did Wily want to rule the world or destroy it. Now, what I'm getting is that he wanted to rule it. So why would he build Zero just to destroy everything? I don't believe this was the original idea. I think that, since Reploids have their own personalities and thoughts, Zero was probably aware of his powers as the greatest robot ever build. With the virus causing Zero to be a Maverick, he may have gone crazy and killed Dr. Wily before going out and causing the cataclysm. Now, Dr. Wily was a smart man. He probably planned for the possibility that Zero would murder him in a wild rage. He may have created an AI counterpart that was exactly like his mind and placed it in a back up file of his master computer. Now, why would this supposed AI activate at random? Well, I figure that this would be similar to the robot masters that activated when Wily was in jail because he didn't send them a signal that he was safe. If this AI was a fail safe, it would probably activate automatically if not sent a signal to not do so. So that's my theory on how Dr. Wily could survive for so many years. Now, this brings forth the point of Sigma meeting an old man that knew a lot about Zero. Well, this is a bit of a strech, but, Reploids were built to look somewhat human. It's just that most wear some sort of basic armor. What I assume is, that if Dr. Wily did that back up AI of himself, he probably made a body for that AI as well. It's very possible that he made one to look exactly like him so that no one would recognise him as a robot. Remember, if you will, the old man reploid at the Resistance base in Zero 1. He looked human to me by comparison to the other humans around, which were the foot soldiers with what look like Green Beret uniforms and badges. I'm sure some of those soldiers were human since, in the original cut, when they died, blood shot out. Those are my theories to the connection of Wily and Weil.

Now, onto my better theories of New Zero and Omega. First of all, if anyone noticed, which I'm sure you all did, Zero appears as a playable in MMX 7. However, he was put into the 102 year sleep at the end of MMX6. Why would he be in both? Well, my guess is that so many months or years after Zero was put to sleep, the Maverick attacks became too much for the Hunters. So, the Hunter scientists created a copy of Zero's body and copied his mind into that copy body. This is the copy of Zero that is played in the MMZ games. Why he was asleep is probably due to a battle in a secret underground laboratory during an attack in which Zero was fatally injured. This battle probably happened without X to save Zero, so Zero attached himself to the power systems of the laboratory so that he could slowly recover while waiting for rescue. However, without a way to send anything, he was stuck their. This explains why Zero was hanging from the cealing by wires, and not in a sleeping capsule. All this time, the real Zero was asleep to combat the Virus, right? Well, I assume that, at a point, that Zero was corrupted fully by the virus, deleting his heart and allowing him to become Omega. This also explains why both have a new body. Remeber that original X also had a new body that was projected when he talked to Zero at the end of the first game. I assume that after so many years, the bodies were upgraded to become more combat ready. If you notice, Zero is thinner, making him more aerodynamic. X is wearing a robe, which probably alowed him to carry more weapon modifications, making him more like a tank. Omega would have also been updated with these modifications so he wouldn't be replaced. I believe that, after a time, Dr. Weil came to moderate Omega's sleep. He probably assisted in completing Zero's transformation to Omega by corrupting the routiens made to cure the virus, but instead made them give him more of it. That sounds farfetched though, doesn't it? Well, assuming that my back up AI theory is correct, it's possible that this AI created the Dr. Weil body to be more combat effecient to keep up with new X and Zero. He may have been the one that started the fight that knocked Zero out of commision, and took the pod with Omega to complete him since this was a plan of Dr. Wily. What I'm getting at is that Zero from MMZ is Zero from MMX 7 and 8, who I assume is a copy of the original because the original Zero was put to sleep at the end of MMX 6. Again, my idea of Dr. Weil taking Omega is a bit farfetched, but it does fit pretty well.

Now, finally, I come to the legends connection. Now, I, like a few others, assumed that Legends was simply a parallel universe of the original Megaman. However, upon further review, you do see many similarities that would connect legends to the rest. First, to connect it to the Zero series. This is a small touch, but I notice many similarites between the golems of Zero and some designs of the Reaver Bots, particularly the very large ones and the timy ones that shoot bombs at you from their underside. Plus, the final area, Neo Arcadia Core, of MMZ looks like a fresher version of the first dungeon in MML. Also note the extream similarity between refracters and energy crystals. Now, onto the X series. Of course, it seems as though most things from the other worlds don't exist in Legends. Well, there are traces of it. Such as similar symbols used to mark things. The reference to the paradise of peace between reploids and humans that X wished to build. Now wat caused this world to be covered in water may have been a final war at the end of the Zero series that detroyed everything, but a few survived and created a new world with old technology that survived. Now, this was my original theory and thought I made up somehow. My original thought was that the Megaman from MML was the original Megaman from the original series. Yeah, if I read that I'd go, "what?" too, probably. But hear me out. My original theory is that when the cataclysm happened and Megaman was unable to defeat Zero, Dr. Light, before getting ready to activate X, sealed the original Megaman away should he ever be needed at a later time. Even if X was to fail, he might weaken Zero enough for Megaman to finish him off. Now, why was it that Megaman was then never revived, well, I assume that Zero killed Dr. Light or Dr. Light died of natural causes before being able to record a hologram telling X of Megaman's storage or, Megaman would have been reactivated by Dr. Light at a time when he found it necessary, but only he knew it, so when he died, no one was left to do it. Of course, I believe I heard that MML Megaman was found to have been built on the island with Mother Lode or something. Which changes my theory that Megaman Trigger was built based on the blueprints of the original Megaman.

Oh and Wily's boat thing was an alternate idea that Dr. Wily built a time machine to go to the future and try to take over the world with and Evil Shipping industry. Just a thought.

Well, that's enough for one night. There's enough to mull over for a bit.

you revived this dead topic...