The End of Megaman Zero 3 an Anti Climax

[princeneo]

viruszero said:

my thought on why zeros armor is different is that the machine he was found in was slowly building his body, making advancements and preparing zero for the day when he would awake, however when he was interrupted, the processes had not restored all of zeros memories yet, and he was not complete, then passy gave her life to break the shield, repair zero and force him to wake up.
my thoughs on the real body are that that virus was still in that and it was sealed off, which is why zero needed the new body ( plus years of battle damage really added up) zero had his memories and brain and heart taken out of the old body and was having a new body built.
the old body became omega and the virus was his main program, though it didn't spread due to the virus already having been cleaned of that abiliy before omega was found and activated. dr. wiel made a shell for omega's body to disguise him and to conserve power.

Not bad.

[Avnikray]

No you are ALL WRONG!

It was the MUFFIN! Zero ate a muffin and he changed. [/silly]

Ahem...

Here is the link that explains all. (Or what I think explains it all)

www.megaman-community.com/22-series-mega-man-x/645-megaman-zero-3-story-discussion.html

Enjoy

[viruszero]

oh yeah the elf wars, almost forgot about them, i think it was a reploid that looked like omega ( hence why zero thought he recognized him) and thats why wiel used his image, possibly to strike fear into zero for seeing an enemy he and x vanquished with great difficulty.
it was after this point zero, badly damaged, went to get purged of the virus, by sealing his body away after having his mind/heart/memories removed from the body and being rebuilt into the new body.
as for why zeros real body looked like the new copy body, weil stumbled upon zero pre activation but he was unable to do anything to get to him, so he left and modeled the real body after the copy zero. not touching the programming.

[DrWeil]

Well the story does rais a lot of key issues surrounding the intermission between the x and zero series i do agree with a lot of points raised like zero's new body was already built and zero was using it before he went into hibernation for 100 years. i'd definatly consider reading the points raised using the above link.

[viruszero]

the only problem i find with that theory is the real zero is MIA for over 100 years, the person who repaired zero wouldn't they have released the real body as soon as the copy body was in hibernation? and do not tell me that nightmare zero is the real zero because if i remember correctly the "copy body" zero destroyed him.
and the person who fixed zero in x6 i think was isoc ( he seemed to have a huge interest in zero ) and i think he also was the one who started th process to rebuilt zero.

[Track]

Well, of course Issac had an intrest in him. Issac was Wily. And I have three points to prove it.

1) High Max bears a striking resemblence to King, Wily's last big creation before Zero. Seriously, if you recolor High Max with King's color scheme, you'll see. Also notice that he seemed to be strictly under Issac's control, further evidence that Issac was his creator.

2) After High Max's defeat, X/Zero find Issac's body an empty shell, similar to soul erasure. This was never explained, but I think it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that Wily transmitted his mind to a local computer. Of course, there is a flaw in this theroy, and that is that Issac could have just been a incubation body for Sigma while he was being rebuilt. Either possibility is acceptable, but I go with the Wily idea simply because of Issac's design.

3) As you stated VirusZero, Issac is a likely canidate as for who repaired Zero. Since this was never revealed, unlike the person who revived X (Dr. Light), it is a possibility. But could Light have repaired Zero too? Unlikely, but possible.

Anyway, this situation may never be resolved, and proves one thing. Capcom likes to mess with our heads. But, if it weren't for these perposly placed plot-holes, the megaman franchise would be alot less mysterious. And I'm sure I speak for everone in saying that I wouldn't have it any other way.

Anyway, back to more on topic issues XD

[princeneo]

Makes sense; seeing as Issac actually enjoyed Zero destroying his own henchmen. It only proved to him that, if he was Wily, he had created the ultimate machine of destruction. At least in his eyes.

[viruszero]

taking that another step could prove that issac/isoc is wily, because if wily is an android now then that makes him a bit closer to weil ( more likely that he is wiel only alot crazier and suffering from some amount of memory loss.)

but my proof weil is wily is:
1.) abilty to repair and upgrade zero's real body
2.) similar scheme ( take over/control world )
3.) manipulative ways

and now further proof, wily is wiel but ofcourse their personalities seem different, well it has been over 200 years since wily became wiel ( basically ) so hes had 200 years to become angry, more deluded, and crazier, and of course over 200 years you won't remember everythign you do, hence why he might have repaired zero as isoc and then forgot about it.

[Track]

I still say that Weil can't be Wily. Even after 200 or so years, Wily would still be Wily, no matter how much more twisted he would become. Wily and Weil share absolutly no personality traits whatsoever. But the strange thing is that how else would Weil know enough about Zero's structural design to build the copy body? I mean, back in the X series Zero couldn't even be analyzed correctly, let alone have his schematics copyed. Stupid confusing story.

[viruszero]

the way i see it is as already explained is: ok your a mad scientist, bent on ruling the world, your humanity has been stripped of you, now you want revenge for that too, you've had 200 years to think, blame them, plot and just generally become crazier and more deluded, your memory of the past is fuzzy at best and the one thing that you remember after 200 years is your ultimate creation, zero.

but yeah the repair zero part is definatly a big thing, i mean doctor light probably couldn't have done it, and i'm surprised dr. light still isn't arround i mean you'd think if wily could be an android now light might have atleast left a copy of his memories somewhere for X.

[Cutsman]

princeneo said:

EDIT3: To reply to Omega (not 'omegaaa'), Passy didn't die breaking the barrier; she passed on reviving Zero. Cyber Elves die once fulfilling their purpose, if you recall correctly. Remember that Cyber Elves are solely program data; they aren't solid. They're holograms, like that of the Original X in his Elf form. It was probably nothing at all moving through such a barrier like that protecting Zero's body.

Yes, I knew that. Poor wording on my part. Passy got through the barrier, and died reviving Zero. However, she also deactivated the barrier, if you recall. That's what I meant when I said it killed her.

Omega doesn't really have a personality of his own. This is evidenced mainly by the fact that he never really speaks, mainly just grunts or groans or growls (except for one instance of "Zeeeeerooooo..." near the end of the game).

I got this from the link posted by Ravnik. I don't know what this person was thinking when they typed it, but they're wrong. I've played through MMZ3 and beaten it so many times that I've practically memorised it. Omega, or "Original Zero", does indeed speak... just not very much. Sure, most of the time he only says "Graugh" or something to that effect, but that's always when he's in his bigger bodies. Even then, he says things like "Oh, oho, Zero!" which clearly indicates at least a limited vocabulary. Now, remember... most large bosses in the Zero series also portray trouble speaking, either by talking slowly or not saying much at all. Then you have Final Zero, or Nightmare Zero. If you have the volume turned up, you can hear him taunting and speaking very well for someone who supposedly can't say anything besides "Zero" or "Graugh". After all of that, I'm inclined to believe that Original Zero/Nightmare Zero might indeed have a personality. How many personality-less chara do you know that can taunt?? I don't know of any.

[princeneo]

viruszero said:

i mean you'd think if wily could be an android now light might have atleast left a copy of his memories somewhere for X.

Are you REALLY that thick-headed? What're all those capsules then? Big ol' headache medicines?! ><;;

Gad zukes, I swear...

[Avnikray]

I still think that Zero ate a muffin and he changed....

[viruszero]

those capsules were prerecoreded messages to X and a system to equip X with a new armor part, highly unlikely that they actually contained any memories of dr. light's, why? becaus think about it, would you put your memories into a capsule with no telling who could find and use it? ( the armor parts are different because they need all parts to form armor and are designed only for X ) no, obviously not, it would have to be more ingeniously hidden.

[Cutsman]

ravnik said:

I still think that Zero ate a muffin and he changed....

That's impossible. Reploids don't eat.