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Post by VileMKII on Feb 4, 2010 0:46:35 GMT 2
So I was wondering how Wily made the maverick virus to begin with, or if it was originally the maverick virus and Wily used it to his own bidding?
I was just reading and looking around some things with R8 and was reminded of that awesome thing known as 'Evil energy' in which duo sought to eradicate. Well we know that four of the robot masters had it, that big thing Duo killed in a cutscene had it, Forte had it, and I'm confident Wily had it too. Well even if Wily didn't have it himself for whatever reason he must have studied it a bit from his robots and perhaps replicated it or had a sample. Along with this new source of power we know he also had Bassnium (spelling?), the energy that made Forte (see Power battles 2). Both of these are powerful energy's that could grant one great power, but so much power might cause one to go insane. So What if Wily made the Maverick Virus by combining both forms of energy and implanted it in Zero, his ultimate robot and his ultimate energy. Perhaps Forte has a bit of it in him now due to him undergoing repairs in R9.
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Post by randomdrifter865 on Feb 4, 2010 20:27:03 GMT 2
From what I understood so far the virus Zero had exclusively was only a catalyst virus meant to destroy other robots, humans ,and technology. Is it made form the Evil energy possibly. I have not a clue if Zero has the Bassium (At least I think that its spelling) element in his body though... The hint of Bassium element fired from Bass's buster originally had green energy till about MM8 the blasts he fired were purple when combined with the Evil energy and Treble.
Even though MM&B Bass was not even a main part of the series Bass still retained that purple tint to his buster shots assuming MM8 lead up to MM&B in some alternate reality or something.
So what was Bass doing through the events of MM9? I know after the events of MM8 he was damaged ,but I didn't think he was damaged to the point where he would not be present in MM9 events.
That's what I'm thinking anyone else got any other theories?
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Post by VileMKII on Feb 4, 2010 21:56:29 GMT 2
Kenji said that Forte was undergoing repairs in R9, hints his body on the background computer at the end of the game.
I like your thoughts on Forte using the evil energy but that seems to not be the case. Forte is powered by Fortenioum which is imperfect quoted by Wily in the Power Fighters. It is said that her perfects it and makes it for Zero. This I thought was what made part of the virus, perfect fortenioum in cohesion with Evil energy. My thoughts on Forte's purple energy is just the perfected version of his energy source.
Note: Every megaman game is a main part in the megaman story. DO not be fooled by titles even if they lack a number.
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Post by Fefnir on Feb 4, 2010 22:56:22 GMT 2
I do not think Capcom intended for its players to think this far into the Megaman universe. If you have to read the pamphlet to get the story or if the entire story is summarized in the opening cutscene, the game may as well not have a plot, as far as I'm concerned. And what I mentioned is the case with many of the original Megaman games. So stop hurting your brains trying to piece together things that weren't intended to be perfectly coherent.
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Post by randomdrifter865 on Feb 5, 2010 1:17:36 GMT 2
Then what fun would it be if we couldn't pick at the details and try tie things together? ;D
The games are upon plot holes in the themselves have plot holes in the plot hole universe of plot hole infinity. That is why fans exist... Well the ones who go to great length to ties things together anyways I think. Example the legend of zelda universe which is one I hope we don't have to discuss about because we can go years on end with that disscussion intill the mods decide to lock the thread for taking too much mem on the server. XD (Sarcasm)
Well let's get back on topic then please.
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Post by VileMKII on Feb 5, 2010 1:35:37 GMT 2
I do not think Capcom intended for its players to think this far into the Megaman universe. If you have to read the pamphlet to get the story or if the entire story is summarized in the opening cutscene, the game may as well not have a plot, as far as I'm concerned. And what I mentioned is the case with many of the original Megaman games. So stop hurting your brains trying to piece together things that weren't intended to be perfectly coherent. That was soley done because the NES cartrage couldn't hold enough information for the story itself. many games had this happen to them among with Zelda, mario, and Kirby. however every classic megaman game can fit into the timeline, by either judging what all characters are in it, its storyline, and the date it takes place. even games like are-Soccer and Battle and Chase fall into the timeline. If I need to break this down more for you to believe and understand it I'll have to bust out my Complete works book. However this was stated by someone awhile ago and could perhaps help you |
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Post by Silver Stryker on Feb 5, 2010 2:31:07 GMT 2
The maverick virus and the virus Wily created are one and the same. It all came from Zero. Before Zero, reploids went maverick by electronic glitches in their brains. This isn't to be confused with free will of going maverick, as that only occurs in X8.
The last bit of evil energy that Duo was capable of sensing was within Bass, which was greatly overpowered by Justice energy. If Evil energy was related to the virus, I don't see why Duo wouldn't return. So with that, I don't believe the Virus is related to Evil Energy.
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Post by VileMKII on Feb 5, 2010 16:54:49 GMT 2
I think you are a bit confuzed by my statement.
By asking about the virus I was simply putting it as "was the virus originally something that wily had to perfect and was always the maverick virus" or "wily needed to make a new virus for his robot" and it is stated that Zero is fulled by energon crystals (much like all reploids) and the perfected version of bassneium.
As for Duo taking all the evil energy away, is it not impossible for Wily to have replicated it?
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Post by Silver Stryker on Feb 5, 2010 19:54:09 GMT 2
Create something based on evil energy's concept, maybe, but I don't think he can replicate it without Duo crawling up his spine. Duo's lack of appearance from the X series or even after his main appearance(save for Battle 'n Chase and other indirect sequels I guess?) kinda says that Evil Energy couldn't have been replicated. At least, not without drastic changes that ultimately turn it into something else. Otherwise he would interfere and destroy it.
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Post by VileMKII on Feb 6, 2010 0:25:50 GMT 2
Create something based on evil energy's concept, maybe, but I don't think he can replicate it without Duo crawling up his spine. Duo's lack of appearance from the X series or even after his main appearance(save for Battle 'n Chase and other indirect sequels I guess?) kinda says that Evil Energy couldn't have been replicated. At least, not without drastic changes that ultimately turn it into something else. Otherwise he would interfere and destroy it. There's no direct evidence that he would appear and rid the earth of it. He does work at fighting it across the universe, and as we saw in the R8 opening there are beings who use the evil energy. For all we know Duo would have been defeated. |
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Post by Chaos Tank on Feb 6, 2010 0:54:35 GMT 2
If the subtitle for Megaman 10 is indeed "The Menace from Outer Space," then I think it plausable, even likely that Duo make a re-appearance. I also believe that he dies in this game, which explains his lack of appearance in subsequent series'.
The power fighters game said that there might have been more evil energy left on Earth, and while this could be a mistranslation I am willing to believe that it is leftover energy within Bass. We know that Bass has a rebellious streak, and that Megaman and Bass takes place between Megaman 8 and 9. Its possible that the repairs he's undergoing are related to a mutation or other manifestation of the virus within him.
As for Bassnium or however its spelt, Wily did state that at the time he was building Zero that Bassnium was the most powerful element/material on Earth and as such, that was what he used to create Zero. Now I do not believe Bassnium is anything other than a powerful metal, and should not be confused with the virus. Wily frequently refers to both Zero and his "other project." This secret other project is likely the virus which would later be contained within Zero.
Now as to the virus itself, I question whether Wily ever intended for it to be released from Zero's body. We've seen that the virus drives robots mad, and turns them into mavericks or other. And Wily wanted to rule the world, he never wanted the world to be thrown into pure chaos unless he was there afterwards to restore order and the world would crown him leader for his services. Either he knew he was going to die and wanted to spread chaos and make the world suffer with him... or he intended that the virus be contained within Zero and used as a power source, to enhance his already OP robot. Sounds a bit like what evil energy is supposed to do doesn't it? We know that while the virus usually just makes robots go nuts, when combined with Zero he also goes nuts but becomes super strong and "purified," ala X5. But of course Sigma had to go and try to save the world from this psycho robot and instead become its scourge. Sweet irony.
Yeah, I'm really hoping MM10 wraps everything up all nice like that. Otherwise I might actually have to finish my story and bring in Duo Mk. III
Edit: to respond to the possibility of Duo being defeated, he was part of an interstellar police force dedicated to the elimination of evil energy and its unlikely that Duo is their only agent. Even if he were destroyed, I think we'd actually see a Duo Mk II or III and it wouldn't simply be fantasy on my part.
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Post by VileMKII on Feb 6, 2010 17:10:24 GMT 2
As for Bassnium or however its spelt, Wily did state that at the time he was building Zero that Bassnium was the most powerful element/material on Earth and as such, that was what he used to create Zero. Now I do not believe Bassnium is anything other than a powerful metal, and should not be confused with the virus. Wily frequently refers to both Zero and his "other project." This secret other project is likely the virus which would later be contained within Zero. Wrong where bolded. The ending clearly stats that it is an energy source that powers Forte. The energy was an accident and thus needed completion, which is what Wily uses for Zero. www.youtube.com/watch?v=eroRHIx9wT0&feature=relatedBecause this energy is used solely in Zero, that is most likely his other project. My thoughts though is that this new energy is mixed with the evil energy which acted like a drug and a virus. It does sound like evil energy which strengthens my argument on it being a mix of evil energy and bassnuim. In response to Wily knowing he was going to die, that's not likely true. It was been announced by Kenji himself that Wily is still alive in teh X series as a virus. This would also put him in place where sigma speaks of meeting an old man who knew alot about Zero. (see X5) It would also make sence on how Zero see's wily in his dreams and how Light came in and saved X in X5's ending. |
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Post by randomdrifter865 on Feb 7, 2010 0:03:52 GMT 2
Well the Light hologram anyways... I'll assume you meant his hologram anyways. As for Wily there is evidense here and there right. We have the Black Devil and then we have Sigma Gamma. Not to mention the first Zero virus stage is literally a reused Quickman Stage.
I also found it kind of odd that X hardly specks to the Light hologram ,but Zero could in X5 and X6 when you got the blade arm part ,falcon leg part and The Black Zero as Zero. At least in the remake of Megaman X If you find the dash part X actually kinda remembers who the hologram is ,but not enough to stir some sort of conversation ,but he knows he could trust him. Thats just a tidbit that never made sense to me for the longest time playing the X series...
Then again some of the capsule placements seemed to be a bit odd too unless the capsule have some sort of abillity to magically materialize somewhere else and come up with new armor parts or programs for X to use. Not to mention that all the Light Holograms seem to always be kept updated with the current times to what is going on around the world.
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Post by Silver Stryker on Feb 7, 2010 1:19:55 GMT 2
Its quite possible that the Light Capsules have become sentient. Its on more than one occasion that Light speaks of recent events. Also, the capsules create/modify armors to accomidate X's needs. Prime example being X's Blade Armor, helping X adapt to using Zero's saber. It can also explain the Ultimate Armor's various changes, wether from X4-5 to X6, or the X8 change. I can't say this adamantly about the Comand Mission hypermode, however, because it is just that; a hypermode. Light didn't give it to him.
The capsule obviously has some sort of transportation. Evidence of this is how it disappears after you obtain it. As to how, who knows? Maybe it floats like a wily capsule. Maybe its capable of traveling underground.(It came fron underground in the first game.) Or maybe it simply teleports to certain locations partaining to X's destinations.
I'm not really sure why Zero gets special diolugue scenes wheras X doesn though, besides Zero being Inafune's favorite.
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